Financial Gurus That I Hate (& Don’t Hate)
Posted by Cap in Personal Finance |This may generate some flame war, especially since some of the gurus mentioned may have a following (within the personal finance blog community, too). You may also find it silly to have yet another anonymous jerk calling out your “guru,” but that’s the Internet for you.
I. The Urgh Ones

Donald Trump
It’s tough to hate a on person you’ve never met before — but as a financial “guru,” Donald Trump is a douche. It’s not because he was brought to the brink of bankruptcy that makes him a questionable financial guru; there’s also no question that he has have many success in various field, notably real-estate and recently in the media; but as a financial guru — that is, someone to go to for a financial framework to achieve financial independence — he’s not what you’ll want.
Head to a local Borders or B&N to sample his work, which include books such as: Trump: How to Get Rich (more about how he got rich than how you’ll get rich); you’ll also find his latest co-authored book: Why We Want You to Be Rich: Two Men — One Message, to be lacking in clear depth and direction for a workable financial road map.
As a media personality Trump does just fine (if that’s what you’re into), but don’t expect to get much out of him as a financial guru.

Robert Kiyosaki
Of Rich Dad, Poor Dad fame, which is probably an okay book — although once you’ve read his first work, you’ve read them all. You will find that his many other works (even those written by others in the same Rich Dad, Poor Dad series) to be repetitive, lacking in actionable courses, and generally just pages after pages of: “you should start a business, buy gold or other precious metals, consider MLMs, or buy an apartment complex and try other various spiffy real-estate deals.”
Every online mentions of Kiyosaki will generally follow a link to John T. Reed’s analysis of Rich Dad, Poor Dad; and this one is no exception. It’s a good read, and you’ll find it to be more objective than this blog’s view on Kiyosaki.
The real reason why Kiyosaki is on this list though, is because of his irresponsible recommendations and suggestions on achieving financial independence. Many other personal finance bloggers have frequently mention his ill-considered financial advice as a Yahoo Finance columnist, which mostly consist of the same advices mentioned above.
In fact, just a few days ago, you’ll find Robert Kiyosaki on CNN telling people to buy into silver because the stock market “isn’t going anywhere.” Right. Let’s not utilize one of the more practical investment vehicle and throw all our eggs into one basket for 2007. Now that’s a sure bet!
II. The Iffy Ones

Dave Ramsey
Before you start looking for that unsubscribe feed button, there’s a few good reasons why Dave Ramsey may be a bit iffy as a financial guru.
There’s little question that Ramsey is the one to go to for some extreme debt elimination. His actionable method and steps are all achievable, if not practical for some. If you follow Ramsey’s often-tout debt snowball plan to the letter, you will most likely be well on your way in getting rid of your debt.
The problem with Ramsey is his delivery method (and supposedly his targeted audience).
Advocating debt reduction, sensible spending and elimination of unnecessary expense is all fine and dandy, but to be pushing your various products at the same time is a bit troubling. As you visit Ramsey’s website, or check out his latest book: Total Money Makeover, you’ll notice numerous offer for programs and packages on debt reduction, notably the pricey $130 ~ $250 Financial Peace University programs.
Imagine how you would feel if you visit a website called StopBuyingCrap.com, which tries to send out a message of sensible spending — only to be greeted with offers of a $130 “how to save money” guide on the very same website. A bit of a turn off? Probably.
There’s nothing wrong with marketing a good message, but when the commercialization crosses path with your underlying message, things may get a bit iffy.

James “Jim” Cramer
Jim Cramer hosts CNBC’s Mad Money, where he provides viewers with investment advice, strategy, and the occasional chair throwing spectacles.
The wild on-screen persona aside, Cramer’s stock picks have often been criticize by sites such as CramerWatch.org, which pits Cramer’s Lighting Round stock recommendations against that of a monkey — often showing that Cramer’s sell/buy recommendations are no better than that of a random number generator. Of course, the site tracks the performance for only 30 days, which isn’t enough of a time frame to show long term changes.
Although it’s nice that Cramer’s Mad Money brought the mindset of stocks investing to a younger audience, it’s always a bit troubling when you have a person making broad investment advice with lights and sound effects — even if it is just for entertainment, and even if there was a disclaimer before the show.
On the flip side, Cramer’s books such as Sane Investing in an Insane World, and Confessions of a Street Addict are miles ahead of those from Trump and Kiyosaki, even if Confessions isn’t exactly a “how-to” finance book.
III. The Ones That I’ll Wash Their Dishes For

Jonathan Clements
Jonathan Clements is a personal finance writer for the Wall Street Journal, his column “Getting Going” can be found on Wednesday issues of the WSJ, back in the Personal Finance section (now the Personal Journal section).
Here’s the low down: the average person who’s interested in financial independence will garner more from a sentence written by Clements, than an entire book written by both Trump and Kiyosaki.
Clements’ columns and books are sensible and actionable. When they may be a bit broad, he gives cautions. When they may sound like the same old general personal finance advice, he reaffirms (because they work).
What many people fail to realize is that the basic underlying core of a sound financial lifestyle is very simplistic. You don’t need to pay hundreds of dollars to know that spending beyond your means is a bad idea, or that savings diligently is a key to financial success. It is a very simple value that Clements continues to push through out his numerous columns.
If you’re interested in Clements’ common sense personal finance and don’t subscribe to the Journal, check out 25 Myth You’ve Got to Avoid at your local library. You can also find two of his other works that focuses on mutual funds and starting/rebuilding investments.
IV. To Be Added To The List:
Here are the few others that will be added to the list. Graham and Malkiel will both be on the “washing dishes” category, while the others listed will be placed to their perspective category once more of their works and materials are digested.
- Benjamin Graham
- Burton Malkiel
- Suze Orman
- David Bach
- Jane Bryant Quinn




January 12th, 2007 at 11:12 am
You nailed it on Trump and Kyosaki. Trump’s had several businesses go through bankruptcy. Why should I listen to him unless he’s going to offer advice due to painful lessons learned.
I’ve often complained that Ramsey has become entirely too cultish. Espousing very narrow views on debt and hawking all kinds of his and other people’s products. I once heard him talk a Christian couple out of purchasing a new plot of land using a mortgage to build their dream house on, and instead take out an option on the land and live on beans + rice for a year or two saving like mad so they can purchase outright. Too extreme for me.
I’ve think Cramer is judged unfairly by many. His show is mainly edutainment. He’s offering ideas on what to look for in stocks while telling you why he likes them. He also always says his recommendations are for 6 to 18 month horizons, but no one ever measures the stock recommendations he makes under that horizon. Definitely a showman and part huckster, I find I learn alot listening to him.
Look forward to your review of Bach (whom I’m a fan of) and Orman.
January 12th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
Agree with you on your list positions with all but Burton Malkiel… eeeewww!!!! If you put him next to Ben Graham, their will be a tussel!
January 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
yep, to the above; I absolutely love Jonathan Clements and love WSJ in general; I have learned so much from it and think it’s the best money one can spend in a paper; much broader than just IBD or Morningstar or others IMO because it encompasses so much more.
Can’t stand Trump or Kiyosaki. Total frauds.
January 13th, 2007 at 5:06 am
I like Jonathan Clements, too, but he is also a British writer–of several books on personal finance.
January 13th, 2007 at 5:28 am
Here’s my favorite link from Ramsey’s site:
Designer Envelope System - $19.95 - are you kidding me? Here, let’s look at an alternative:
Envelopes - 50CT - $1.66
I know, I know the “designer” ones are basically a coin purse/debit card holder/cash envelope system, probably made of a more durable plastic or vinyl. But I just don’t see charging 20 bucks for them to someone who has trouble with money being a great idea.
January 13th, 2007 at 6:35 am
Thanks for the extra 2 cents, Gino, Kevin and finance girl.
Dworth: haha.. yeah there probably will be a tussel, contrasting investing views and all. Still, I learned a lot from both of their work.
han meng: good point. I’ll just remove that line to avoid confusion.
Eric: yeah the whole envelope “system” and the coupon companions are a bit silly. my coupon storage = $0.03 paper clip.
January 14th, 2007 at 11:56 am
My wife and I went through the Dave Ramsey Financial Peace University course a few years ago, and it was a good experience. We paid much less than the regular price since it was through my wife’s church, and spent 12 weeks doing homework, and having small-group meetings.
Each meeting began with a taped segment of Ramsey doing his schtick on a particular topic, about 45 minutes long. After that, the group leader took the participants through a set of discussion questions.
Overall, it was money well spent, as it gave my wife and I 3 months of in-depth discussion material about personal finance.
Our approach to personal finance is about even thirds of Vicki Robin and Joe Dominguez’ Your Money or Your Life, Mary Hunt’s Debt-Proof Living, and the Dave Ramsey approach.
Any person following the plan of a single guru without trying to mold the approach to their own value system is in trouble…
January 14th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
I agree with your thoughts but I would suggest you re-think Suzie Orman. I think she her ideas are just New Age nonsense
January 16th, 2007 at 2:39 am
I don’t care much nor know much about Trump’s advice on pf matters. I however find it extremely refreshing and amusing that he insulted Rosie back.
Oh, I was in Southern California last week doing a lot “crap” things. I think I went insane after day 6 with all the traffic.
January 18th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
FWIW, I agree with you on Trump and Kiyosaki, and mostly on Ramsey.
Trump is someone I watch for his humor and
attitude, but not for investment advice.
Kiyosaki just irritates me. I can’t see anything wrong with a good mutual fund, if you put the effort in to see what it’s costs are. I could go on, but that’s enough on Kiyosaki.
I love Ramsey’s approach to debt pay off (the Debt Snowball), but am still put-off by the “buy my special system” approach and the fact that each book seems to be a rehash of his first. I do own the Total Money Makeover and have read the newest version of Financial Peace, but don’t see the point to paying for any more advice.
I’m not familiar with Clement save as a columnist. I’ve not read his books, but will take a look at them now.
What about adding Ben Stein in the mix? He’s one of my favorite columnists on yahoo Financial, and has a sensible long term approach.
January 18th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
Oops. Forgot about Cramer. I like to watch him occasionally, but have never paid attention to his picks over any period of time.
January 19th, 2007 at 10:32 am
Trump is total crap. I give him credit for his lease on a new wife every three years program.
January 19th, 2007 at 11:02 am
Trump is an absolute egomaniacal pig! I love him because he’s so damn amusing. I hope he and Rosie keep fighting until they fall in love with eachother. As for the other “gurus” you can get the gist of their spiel by glossing over their books at Barnes & Noble. Save your money because buying their books is total crap. Reading blogs like this one is a lot more amusing and its free!
January 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Trump, Kiyoski, Suze Orman, are all iffy to me.
I think the real ones are in the past, such as Benjamin Graham, and Napolean Hill.
February 13th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
If you have Graham on the list, you have to have John Bogle too. All of my retirement accounts are at Vanguard and for good reason.
April 2nd, 2007 at 7:26 pm
I think it’s generally unwise and a waste of time to try to criticize people. I would rather read all the information myself, take the good tips throw out the bad and move on. Fretting over whether or not there really was Rich Dad or how much money Suze Orman really has in stocks means nothing to me. All I care about is that I can make money using the principles that they teach — and I do, my portfolio speaks for itself.
April 4th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
This article got me paying attention to the “gurus”. When some of my co-workers started praising Kiyosaki I had to come back and look. I knew I had heard that name! I followed your link to the analysis, which was very engaging.
I hopped around in the site to the Guru Analysis page of Mr. Reed. Thought i’d post it directly here for your readers:
http://www.johntreed.com/Reedgururating.html
Thanks for being the spark for looking into these charlatans and genuine articles.
August 31st, 2007 at 7:16 am
One thing about Dave Ramsey worth mentioning is that while he does offer some expensive products, he offers quite a few inexpensive ones, such as selling The Total Money Makeover for $10. Also, he explains his entire plan free of charge on the radio and in columns he writes, so you can follow his whole plan without buying anything. While I do find some of his ads and products annoying, I think that this puts him in a different category from those who provide teaser information and then charge people an arm and a leg for the rest of their plans. Frankly, watching the fans that I know, I have observed that other than Financial Peace University (which in standard form costs $90) and the Total Money Makeover Book, most of the ones who buy more of his products (some fans do, some don’t)are those who are out of debt and are simply fans. So in other words, they pay more for an envelope system for the same reason that people pay more for items with their favorite sports team’s logo.
I am not a Ramsey follower myself (while I am by no means wealthy, I am not in consumer debt, and so I find much of what he covers interesting trivia otherwise not very useful), but for those who are deeply in debt and truly don’t understand personal finance, he provides a sound, simple plan that encourages people and keeps them from getting lost in the details. And the entire plan is provided free of charge.
September 28th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
I agree that it’s easy enough to find free/cheap Ramsey stuff. Free if one cares. Radio, tv, library. I don’t intend to be a radio listener–listened once and didn’t find it useful, but Money Makeover was helpful and inspirational.
I just wish he had an approach to dealing with the money which was more consonant with how I see the teachings of Jesus.