Comments on: When to Stop Helping Your Kids Financially? http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/ Over Four Years of Personal Finance, Consumer Spending, Crazy Products and Boring Blog Posts. Good grief. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:35:29 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Linda http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-143722 Linda Thu, 04 Jun 2009 00:09:49 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-143722 I have two daughters 21 and 24 from my previous marriage. I was a single mom for many years after the divorce (ex had a girlfriend) and struggled to make ends meet. I met a wonderful man and remarried and so did my ex. My husband and I had full custody and together we raised two great kids - sometimes not easy for him to be the step dad. Through the years we shared holidays and weekends with my kids with my ex and it was a sruggle because their father always jeopardized our values, rules, curfew etc. Both girls as seniors in high school told my husband and I we were losers, they hated us and they were moving in w/dad and his wife. Tearfully I watched them go - from there they went off to college always excluding me and my husband from family weekends, graduations etc. What is the point? Now they are both graduated from college and call us. They call us for rent, trips to Europe, cars, etc. I stopped giving money when they choose to move out of my house for a better deal. (I will always support them if they need emotional help)Dad never says no and continues to hand out money. He and his wife make more than we do and these kids use both sides. I have changed my will many times, feel they appreciate nothing and as I read in the above comments feel "entitled". Both have become brats with constant funding from their father. I always feel terrible when I turn them down (my husband is a disabled vet and we are close to retirement) but I have learned if I say yes - it is never enough!_ I have two daughters 21 and 24 from my previous marriage. I was a single mom for many years after the divorce (ex had a girlfriend) and struggled to make ends meet. I met a wonderful man and remarried and so did my ex. My husband and I had full custody and together we raised two great kids – sometimes not easy for him to be the step dad. Through the years we shared holidays and weekends with my kids with my ex and it was a sruggle because their father always jeopardized our values, rules, curfew etc. Both girls as seniors in high school told my husband and I we were losers, they hated us and they were moving in w/dad and his wife. Tearfully I watched them go – from there they went off to college always excluding me and my husband from family weekends, graduations etc. What is the point? Now they are both graduated from college and call us. They call us for rent, trips to Europe, cars, etc. I stopped giving money when they choose to move out of my house for a better deal. (I will always support them if they need emotional help)Dad never says no and continues to hand out money. He and his wife make more than we do and these kids use both sides. I have changed my will many times, feel they appreciate nothing and as I read in the above comments feel “entitled”. Both have become brats with constant funding from their father. I always feel terrible when I turn them down (my husband is a disabled vet and we are close to retirement) but I have learned if I say yes – it is never enough!_

]]> By: Valerie http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-143422 Valerie Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:06:32 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-143422 Hi - I have 2 adult children living at home, 19 and 22 yo. I have been a single parent for almost 20 years. I am chronically Ill, just lost my job after many years, even prior to that it was made clear to my children that money is tight, we need to pool resources (esp financially) just to pay for necessities.. I feel that losing my job has been a blessing in disguise because of my disability and I havent had a day off or any type of vacation in over 3 years. After relocating here we agreed to rent an apartment (I am a previous home owner) that was within our financial means. My daughter and I rented our apt with the agreement that she would have to contribute to the rent and other necessary expenses. Unfornately, guess who ended up thousands in debt paying for literally EVERY expense in the house? Me of course. My daughter comes out and says "you never told me I would have to pay rent" "its your responsibility as my parent to take care of me". I DONT THINK SO. My 19 yo son has a job - unfortunately it is 30 miles away and because of the job market cannot transfer closer to home right now. We only have one vehicle (which I am paying for) neither of my children have driver's licenses so I provide not only my time, wear and tear on my car and gas to get my son to work. Problem is, he gets his paycheck and the only time I see money is when his cell phone bill is due then I pay our bills together. My daughter is 22 and she has a job but hasnt received any work hours in weeks. No paycheck for weeks nor does she look for anything else b/c she has that "god forbid someone might see me working flipping burgers". Her job is at a very high priced retail store, and she thinks that if she makes a few bucks then she can spend it on an expensive piece of junk. She wants the high priced lifestyle without the income. When she was working more hours she would actually call me in the middle of my work day and expect me to leave my job, drive home to pick her up and bring her to her job. Yeah, really no lie!! The day I lost my job my daughter said to me "I need to get registered for school" Not only is the money not there for her to go to college but 'hello' I just lost my job - the only person paying the expenses here and she doesnt want to start out at a community college, no, she wants to go to a college for rich kids. Between the stress of losing my job, the pressure of finding another job, the stress of living with chronic pain and the uncertainty of the future all I could do is laugh inside - not of amusement but of "who is this person that I am talking too?" Both of my children, all the while they see me suffering physically - trying to get through physical therapy and find another job still refuse to see the real picture. They have become so comfy here at home "oh mom will make sure all the bills are paid or mom will work 2 jobs to make sure all the bills are paid or mom will continue to kill herself physically to make sure the bills are paid". When my son first moved back home recently I was still working, I didnt mind taking him to the bus (carpooling) or drive him to work because he was helping me in other areas where I couldn't physically help myself. But still at the same time, I was paying all the bills with my paycheck and depleted all of my savings to makeup the difference. Instead of talking with me and discussing the situation like adults and with understanding, my son (has had many many problems as a teen) has many verbal and physical outbursts: slambs doors, tells me to "shut the f...k up" last week he told me "go slit your wrists." Yet, he doesnt feel the need to apologize because he doesnt feel he did anything wrong. He didnt go to work today because I have refused to provide transportation - I said no and just explained that I am not the "bank om mom" that I am not getting any benefit from his job. He called work and did nothing but bad mouth me to his boss and proceeded to tell his boss that it is my fault he cant get to work and 'my mom has balls!' My son said to me one day that he understands the struggles and sacrifices that I have had to make for all of us and "that is why I am here Mom - to help you". However, how does my 19 yo go from saying that to (see above)? I gave him the benefit of the doubt, said to myself "wow, my son is really growing up and turning himself around" but now it is seeming that his comments were just another means of manipulation - "i'll tell mom whatever I think she needs to hear to get what I want." As long as I am a 'yes' person, keep to myself, dont communicate (or argue) with my kids everything is fine (causes me more and more stress and financial pressure though). What is interesting is that my kids know that certain behaviors get negative results - they always know how I am going to react before they do it then go on with that 'surprised' attitude. I have tried to sit down with them and discuss the seriousness of my illness and my inability to physically do the things that I used to and they just do not get it. I get an argument every time I ask for the simplest of help - whether it is taking out the garbage or taking our dogs for a walk. Some days I am in such chronic pain that I can barely walk from one room to another. Before moving here I worked 2 jobs non-stop, 7 days per week for years. I would come home from first job after 12-14 hours have 2 feet of snow in 4 car driveway and have to shovel it myself while my children sat in front of TV in warm house and refused to help. Then I would walk in house and my son would say "whats for dinner? Sometimes I just cried myself to sleep. I hide in my bedroom with my dogs when I am home - I dont even feel comfortable sitting in my own livingroom to watch tv etc. because I avoid the fights. Instead of progressing to adulthood my children are regressing and acting like they are toddlers incapable of helping themselves or others. Am I wrong for saying no and not bringing my son to work? Am I wrong for expecting my adult children to clean up after themselves and contribute financially? It is getting to the point that I refuse to do anything for them. My daughter has failed her driving test 3 times - even though I am out of work now I am reluctant to take her for another driving test, not because I dont think she is capable but there is absolutely no appreciation of the task. My daughter actually said to me in front of a friend one day "you're the mom, you're supposed to do that for me. I needed to just get some things out sorry for the blabbering. I just want to move into a one bedroom apt by myself and my kids can figure out where they are going to live - am I being too harsh? There is definately no give and take in my home, it is take take take take and on and on. Any suggestions? Hi – I have 2 adult children living at home, 19 and 22 yo. I have been a single parent for almost 20 years. I am chronically Ill, just lost my job after many years, even prior to that it was made clear to my children that money is tight, we need to pool resources (esp financially) just to pay for necessities.. I feel that losing my job has been a blessing in disguise because of my disability and I havent had a day off or any type of vacation in over 3 years. After relocating here we agreed to rent an apartment (I am a previous home owner) that was within our financial means. My daughter and I rented our apt with the agreement that she would have to contribute to the rent and other necessary expenses. Unfornately, guess who ended up thousands in debt paying for literally EVERY expense in the house? Me of course. My daughter comes out and says “you never told me I would have to pay rent” “its your responsibility as my parent to take care of me”. I DONT THINK SO. My 19 yo son has a job – unfortunately it is 30 miles away and because of the job market cannot transfer closer to home right now. We only have one vehicle (which I am paying for) neither of my children have driver’s licenses so I provide not only my time, wear and tear on my car and gas to get my son to work. Problem is, he gets his paycheck and the only time I see money is when his cell phone bill is due then I pay our bills together. My daughter is 22 and she has a job but hasnt received any work hours in weeks. No paycheck for weeks nor does she look for anything else b/c she has that “god forbid someone might see me working flipping burgers”. Her job is at a very high priced retail store, and she thinks that if she makes a few bucks then she can spend it on an expensive piece of junk. She wants the high priced lifestyle without the income. When she was working more hours she would actually call me in the middle of my work day and expect me to leave my job, drive home to pick her up and bring her to her job. Yeah, really no lie!! The day I lost my job my daughter said to me “I need to get registered for school” Not only is the money not there for her to go to college but ‘hello’ I just lost my job – the only person paying the expenses here and she doesnt want to start out at a community college, no, she wants to go to a college for rich kids. Between the stress of losing my job, the pressure of finding another job, the stress of living with chronic pain and the uncertainty of the future all I could do is laugh inside – not of amusement but of “who is this person that I am talking too?” Both of my children, all the while they see me suffering physically – trying to get through physical therapy and find another job still refuse to see the real picture. They have become so comfy here at home “oh mom will make sure all the bills are paid or mom will work 2 jobs to make sure all the bills are paid or mom will continue to kill herself physically to make sure the bills are paid”. When my son first moved back home recently I was still working, I didnt mind taking him to the bus (carpooling) or drive him to work because he was helping me in other areas where I couldn’t physically help myself. But still at the same time, I was paying all the bills with my paycheck and depleted all of my savings to makeup the difference. Instead of talking with me and discussing the situation like adults and with understanding, my son (has had many many problems as a teen) has many verbal and physical outbursts: slambs doors, tells me to “shut the f…k up” last week he told me “go slit your wrists.” Yet, he doesnt feel the need to apologize because he doesnt feel he did anything wrong. He didnt go to work today because I have refused to provide transportation – I said no and just explained that I am not the “bank om mom” that I am not getting any benefit from his job. He called work and did nothing but bad mouth me to his boss and proceeded to tell his boss that it is my fault he cant get to work and ‘my mom has balls!’ My son said to me one day that he understands the struggles and sacrifices that I have had to make for all of us and “that is why I am here Mom – to help you”. However, how does my 19 yo go from saying that to (see above)? I gave him the benefit of the doubt, said to myself “wow, my son is really growing up and turning himself around” but now it is seeming that his comments were just another means of manipulation – “i’ll tell mom whatever I think she needs to hear to get what I want.” As long as I am a ‘yes’ person, keep to myself, dont communicate (or argue) with my kids everything is fine (causes me more and more stress and financial pressure though). What is interesting is that my kids know that certain behaviors get negative results – they always know how I am going to react before they do it then go on with that ’surprised’ attitude. I have tried to sit down with them and discuss the seriousness of my illness and my inability to physically do the things that I used to and they just do not get it. I get an argument every time I ask for the simplest of help – whether it is taking out the garbage or taking our dogs for a walk. Some days I am in such chronic pain that I can barely walk from one room to another. Before moving here I worked 2 jobs non-stop, 7 days per week for years. I would come home from first job after 12-14 hours have 2 feet of snow in 4 car driveway and have to shovel it myself while my children sat in front of TV in warm house and refused to help. Then I would walk in house and my son would say “whats for dinner? Sometimes I just cried myself to sleep. I hide in my bedroom with my dogs when I am home – I dont even feel comfortable sitting in my own livingroom to watch tv etc. because I avoid the fights. Instead of progressing to adulthood my children are regressing and acting like they are toddlers incapable of helping themselves or others. Am I wrong for saying no and not bringing my son to work? Am I wrong for expecting my adult children to clean up after themselves and contribute financially? It is getting to the point that I refuse to do anything for them. My daughter has failed her driving test 3 times – even though I am out of work now I am reluctant to take her for another driving test, not because I dont think she is capable but there is absolutely no appreciation of the task. My daughter actually said to me in front of a friend one day “you’re the mom, you’re supposed to do that for me. I needed to just get some things out sorry for the blabbering. I just want to move into a one bedroom apt by myself and my kids can figure out where they are going to live – am I being too harsh? There is definately no give and take in my home, it is take take take take and on and on. Any suggestions?

]]> By: camelia satchell http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-143361 camelia satchell Sat, 14 Feb 2009 23:35:52 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-143361 I am so happy to read mad as hell comment. I felt sad and hurt to be estranged from my only son. But I am enjoying the peace that comes with it. my son 33 believes that its my responsibility to financially assist him as long as he's going through tough times, which, means paying his 1,200.00 rent for more than a year. when i quit he became hysteric and blame me for everything wrong in his life. I do believe he is right, so i back off. now he can blame his self no one is in his way. I am so happy to read mad as hell comment. I felt sad and hurt to be estranged from my only son. But I am enjoying the peace that comes with it. my son 33 believes that its my responsibility to financially assist him as long as he’s going through tough times, which, means paying his 1,200.00 rent for more than a year. when i quit he became hysteric and blame me for everything wrong in his life. I do believe he is right, so i back off. now he can blame his self no one is in his way.

]]> By: mad as hell http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-143016 mad as hell Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:55:42 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-143016 Our only educationally gifted only child chose to self-destruct with drugs in high school and barely graduated. Caring for a dying mother, I quit work. We made do with less. My son was on and off in jobs, finally decided to be a chef. Starting working and did well. With our support attended a loco ju-co, decided that didn't have enough "fire power" approached us about attending one of the country's elite cooking schools. Said he understood we needed to save for retirement. Couldn't get a loan unless we co-signed. We knew that would be a mess for us to clean up. He offered to pay half. We agreed. Now he says we "Owed him" an education and refuses to pay us back. He called me a lying ass when I refused to give him more money. We are estranged to say the least. Calls us selfish, that is when he calls us. Now is trying to use the birth of his child to extort more from us. We refuse although it breaks our hearts. We've been down this road too many times. We have chosen a path few would take. While I'm not religious, I do believe that without true contrition there can be no true forgiviness. My son truly believes he is the victim here. We move on together my husband and I knowing that while we have lost much we no longer have the histerics, the yelling, the lying and the manipulation that is our son. Time does not always make things better. Sometimes it simply reveals the truth. Our only educationally gifted only child chose to self-destruct with drugs in high school and barely graduated. Caring for a dying mother, I quit work. We made do with less. My son was on and off in jobs, finally decided to be a chef. Starting working and did well. With our support attended a loco ju-co, decided that didn’t have enough “fire power” approached us about attending one of the country’s elite cooking schools. Said he understood we needed to save for retirement. Couldn’t get a loan unless we co-signed. We knew that would be a mess for us to clean up. He offered to pay half. We agreed. Now he says we “Owed him” an education and refuses to pay us back. He called me a lying ass when I refused to give him more money. We are estranged to say the least. Calls us selfish, that is when he calls us. Now is trying to use the birth of his child to extort more from us. We refuse although it breaks our hearts. We’ve been down this road too many times. We have chosen a path few would take. While I’m not religious, I do believe that without true contrition there can be no true forgiviness. My son truly believes he is the victim here. We move on together my husband and I knowing that while we have lost much we no longer have the histerics, the yelling, the lying and the manipulation that is our son. Time does not always make things better. Sometimes it simply reveals the truth.

]]> By: Margo http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-14889 Margo Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:33:00 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-14889 I'd suggest you continue to pay for their healthcare until they get a full-time job with benefits, but I wouldn't recommend outright cash support. My mom's poor and my dad's remarried so dad & stepmom are doing fine. I realized a couple years ago that they can either help me live above my means now...or put aside for their retirement and long-term care insurance so I'm not run broke by caring for 3 aging parents in 20 years when I'm married with kids about to go to college. Dad & stepmom did donate some furniture when I moved into my own place. "We're so proud" she said. Then the truth - "and so grateful you haven't moved back home like our friends' kids have." I’d suggest you continue to pay for their healthcare until they get a full-time job with benefits, but I wouldn’t recommend outright cash support. My mom’s poor and my dad’s remarried so dad & stepmom are doing fine. I realized a couple years ago that they can either help me live above my means now…or put aside for their retirement and long-term care insurance so I’m not run broke by caring for 3 aging parents in 20 years when I’m married with kids about to go to college.

Dad & stepmom did donate some furniture when I moved into my own place. “We’re so proud” she said. Then the truth – “and so grateful you haven’t moved back home like our friends’ kids have.”

]]> By: mapgirl http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-2865 mapgirl Tue, 02 May 2006 02:44:49 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-2865 I agree with Miserly Bastard and Cap that it is about how your raise your kids to view money and spending it. My parents taught me that you get your allowance for the week and it had better last you all week. Of course, I babysat on the side, I took an afterschool job against their wishes and they incentivized high academics by paying me for good grades on my report card. It's possible to teach a kid not to be a brat about money. It's really a question to ask yourself about when are you going to feel ok cutting them off if they haven't learned their lesson. I watch parents in the supermarket get suckered all the time by their kids. It's awful stuff. The parents, they have no spine! I agree with Miserly Bastard and Cap that it is about how your raise your kids to view money and spending it. My parents taught me that you get your allowance for the week and it had better last you all week. Of course, I babysat on the side, I took an afterschool job against their wishes and they incentivized high academics by paying me for good grades on my report card. It’s possible to teach a kid not to be a brat about money. It’s really a question to ask yourself about when are you going to feel ok cutting them off if they haven’t learned their lesson. I watch parents in the supermarket get suckered all the time by their kids. It’s awful stuff. The parents, they have no spine!

]]> By: Lady Di http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-2007 Lady Di Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:59:16 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-2007 Personally, I think the answer is simple. Refuse any request that is beyond reason then sit back while you adult child badmouths you to anyone who will listen. Personally, I think the answer is simple. Refuse any request that is beyond reason then sit back while you adult child badmouths you to anyone who will listen.

]]> By: Cap http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1995 Cap Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:38:38 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1995 actually skye, in my area there are plenty of starter houses at half a million.. in fact, I don't even know if they're good starter houses. but that's all relative to the area you're in. anyway haven't got a chance to throw in some opinion too, but I think everyone made lots of good point, specifically --- just because you're receiving help, doesn't mean its a bad thing. In many cases, the smartest and best thing to do is to stay at home and save , save, save --- till you can reasonably start off on your own; and I think that's fine as long as it's not causing certain hardship & your goals are clear. What's not fine is the many examples mentioned, where the "adult child" (can't think of another word too), stay @ home and mooch or mope around the house. I think Miserly made a great point, that it all boils down to how you can best raise your kids to be self-sufficient. The problem is, I know many peers w/ great parents, but other influences in life or just own personality, made them an "adult child." I guess a simple gauge could be what was mentioned, when they graduate from college and enter the working world... course, if only life is that simple. To be honest I could have definitely became an "adult child" a few years back, thinking back about it gives me the chill. I'm glad I caught myself before I became a real burden to my parents, and I'm being careful not to revert back to the old ways. Much like Mom2fur's children, I pay all my own expenses, car insurance, tuition, etc. and I'm saving an incredible amount by staying at home while finishing up school. Doesn't keep my mom from worrying about me though! actually skye, in my area there are plenty of starter houses at half a million.. in fact, I don’t even know if they’re good starter houses. but that’s all relative to the area you’re in.

anyway haven’t got a chance to throw in some opinion too, but I think everyone made lots of good point, specifically — just because you’re receiving help, doesn’t mean its a bad thing. In many cases, the smartest and best thing to do is to stay at home and save , save, save — till you can reasonably start off on your own; and I think that’s fine as long as it’s not causing certain hardship & your goals are clear.

What’s not fine is the many examples mentioned, where the “adult child” (can’t think of another word too), stay @ home and mooch or mope around the house.

I think Miserly made a great point, that it all boils down to how you can best raise your kids to be self-sufficient. The problem is, I know many peers w/ great parents, but other influences in life or just own personality, made them an “adult child.”

I guess a simple gauge could be what was mentioned, when they graduate from college and enter the working world… course, if only life is that simple.

To be honest I could have definitely became an “adult child” a few years back, thinking back about it gives me the chill. I’m glad I caught myself before I became a real burden to my parents, and I’m being careful not to revert back to the old ways.

Much like Mom2fur’s children, I pay all my own expenses, car insurance, tuition, etc. and I’m saving an incredible amount by staying at home while finishing up school.

Doesn’t keep my mom from worrying about me though!

]]> By: SkyeBlue http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1994 SkyeBlue Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:14:51 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1994 "Half a million" for a starter house???? My gosh where do you all live that houses are priced so high????? My total debt right now is $200.00, and we are looking at a "Starter Home", 3 bd, 1 bath, older victorian home for $45,900. Cute as a button! And I'm torn between wanting to take the plunge and try and get it, or staying debt free. If I had to go to sleep every night knowing I had a $500,000 mortage hanging over my head (after 30 years paying what for it like $1,500,000?) I'd never be able to sleep at night! “Half a million” for a starter house???? My gosh where do you all live that houses are priced so high?????

My total debt right now is $200.00, and we are looking at a “Starter Home”, 3 bd, 1 bath, older victorian home for $45,900. Cute as a button! And I’m torn between wanting to take the plunge and try and get it, or staying debt free. If I had to go to sleep every night knowing I had a $500,000 mortage hanging over my head (after 30 years paying what for it like $1,500,000?) I’d never be able to sleep at night!

]]> By: contrary1 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1993 contrary1 Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:42:34 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1993 Great discussion. I'm close to retirement age & have borrowed money from my parents in the past. (did pay it all back, had written agreement, etc) Now, I'm contemplating moving in with my mom, as she is mid 80's at this point, and her house & yard are too big for her to care for on her own. I'm pulled between my place & hers & can't do a good job either place. On the flip side, I have a 24 year old son, that I've pledged no more money to for the last couple years. He hasn't got it yet, as he keeps begging for help. Hard to watch him floundering around. Anyone else pondering their parents estates as retirement funding?? I know my moms estate is coming my direction, we have met with the attorney several times lately. It seems so maudlin to even think about it, but it is a reality. I would rather have both my parents, but that is a little unrealistic too. I'm really going to be caught as executrix of the estate; I know the money is not going to the grandsons, or my sister.........ICK. I will probably leave the country, rather than deal with them all begging for money. Great discussion. I’m close to retirement age & have borrowed money from my parents in the past. (did pay it all back, had written agreement, etc)
Now, I’m contemplating moving in with my mom, as she is mid 80’s at this point, and her house & yard are too big for her to care for on her own. I’m pulled between my place & hers & can’t do a good job either place.
On the flip side, I have a 24 year old son, that I’ve pledged no more money to for the last couple years. He hasn’t got it yet, as he keeps begging for help. Hard to watch him floundering around.
Anyone else pondering their parents estates as retirement funding?? I know my moms estate is coming my direction, we have met with the attorney several times lately. It seems so maudlin to even think about it, but it is a reality. I would rather have both my parents, but that is a little unrealistic too.
I’m really going to be caught as executrix of the estate; I know the money is not going to the grandsons, or my sister………ICK. I will probably leave the country, rather than deal with them all begging for money.

]]> By: daveed http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1992 daveed Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:49:35 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1992 A "starter" house costs a half million these days, while a dumpy fixer-uper will set you back about a quarter million. I guess one could always buy a 1 room condo for 300K. If you're just starting out, make an average income, and are paying back student loans for the next decade or two, what hope do you have of being able to afford a decent place to live? Given this reality, I don't think it is unreasonable or irresponsible to live at home with your parents for a while and save like mad, or if they have the ability, to accept financial help from your parents. If you happen to live in a place where you can buy a beautiful new house for 150K, this may not apply. A “starter” house costs a half million these days, while a dumpy fixer-uper will set you back about a quarter million. I guess one could always buy a 1 room condo for 300K.

If you’re just starting out, make an average income, and are paying back student loans for the next decade or two, what hope do you have of being able to afford a decent place to live? Given this reality, I don’t think it is unreasonable or irresponsible to live at home with your parents for a while and save like mad, or if they have the ability, to accept financial help from your parents.

If you happen to live in a place where you can buy a beautiful new house for 150K, this may not apply.

]]> By: SkyeBlue http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1991 SkyeBlue Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:55:27 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1991 Soemone should point out to the 31 year old above mentioned "Baby Boy" that the Bible also says "If a man does not work, he should not eat". Shoot, probably about 20 years ago my sister went out with a man who was in his 50's who still lived with his parents and had never lived away from home. Needless to say that relationship didn't work out. Soemone should point out to the 31 year old above mentioned “Baby Boy” that the Bible also says “If a man does not work, he should not eat”.

Shoot, probably about 20 years ago my sister went out with a man who was in his 50’s who still lived with his parents and had never lived away from home. Needless to say that relationship didn’t work out.

]]> By: claire http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1990 claire Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:27:54 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1990 I think it depends entirely on what kind of "help" you're talking about. It's so specific to each situation. I have a friend who is almost 30. She's a single mom, and she and her two kids live with her parents. On the surface, you could say that she needs to get her act together. BUT, her father is disabled. Her mother works full time and has chronic fatigue. So my friend takes care of the house and cooks and does laundry for everyone. She uses her small child support checks to pay for clothes and medical care for herself and her kids, and I think she chips in for food. Her parents provide free housing and much of her food. In this case, it's a very healthy symbiotic relationship. Are her parents "helping" her? Yes, they're helping a lot. But she helps them back. Just pointing out that it's not necessarily a bad thing to "help" adult children financially, as long as it's not hurting anyone. I think it depends entirely on what kind of “help” you’re talking about. It’s so specific to each situation. I have a friend who is almost 30. She’s a single mom, and she and her two kids live with her parents. On the surface, you could say that she needs to get her act together.

BUT, her father is disabled. Her mother works full time and has chronic fatigue. So my friend takes care of the house and cooks and does laundry for everyone. She uses her small child support checks to pay for clothes and medical care for herself and her kids, and I think she chips in for food. Her parents provide free housing and much of her food. In this case, it’s a very healthy symbiotic relationship. Are her parents “helping” her? Yes, they’re helping a lot. But she helps them back.

Just pointing out that it’s not necessarily a bad thing to “help” adult children financially, as long as it’s not hurting anyone.

]]> By: Mom2fur http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1989 Mom2fur Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:17:07 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1989 I wouldn't say 21. I'd say once the kid has graduated college and is in the working world. All mine still live at home because they're all still in school--my oldest is 23. They buy a lot of their own food and they pay their own car insurance. I don't mind putting a roof over their heads--they'll be leaving the nest soon enough. I want them concentrating on their education and not stewing over money. They all work (except the 15 year old) and contribute to the house. On Dr. Phil recently there was this guy who was 31 who was still living at home. See, he threw out the part of the Bible that says a man leaves his parents and cleaves to his wife (I'm sure I didn't quote that right). Okay, he didn't have a wife unto which he could cleave...so he felt that meant his parents were still obligated to care for him. My kids would be embarassed to do something like that! I wouldn’t say 21. I’d say once the kid has graduated college and is in the working world. All mine still live at home because they’re all still in school–my oldest is 23. They buy a lot of their own food and they pay their own car insurance. I don’t mind putting a roof over their heads–they’ll be leaving the nest soon enough. I want them concentrating on their education and not stewing over money. They all work (except the 15 year old) and contribute to the house.
On Dr. Phil recently there was this guy who was 31 who was still living at home. See, he threw out the part of the Bible that says a man leaves his parents and cleaves to his wife (I’m sure I didn’t quote that right). Okay, he didn’t have a wife unto which he could cleave…so he felt that meant his parents were still obligated to care for him. My kids would be embarassed to do something like that!

]]> By: SkyeBlue http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1987 SkyeBlue Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:47:28 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1987 Hmmmmmmmmm....a thought! MAYBE I sould make him pay our electric bill too! As an important "Life Lesson". Make it cost so much to live with us that getting his own place would be a relief to him. Hmmmmmmmmm….a thought! MAYBE I sould make him pay our electric bill too! As an important “Life Lesson”. Make it cost so much to live with us that getting his own place would be a relief to him.

]]> By: Mighty Bargain Hunter » Roundup for the week of 2 April 2006 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1986 Mighty Bargain Hunter » Roundup for the week of 2 April 2006 Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:32:22 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1986 [...] When to cut the cord on financial support of your children? Cap ponders this. [...] [...] When to cut the cord on financial support of your children? Cap ponders this. [...]

]]> By: SkyeBlue http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1985 SkyeBlue Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:57:05 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1985 It can be such a dilemna. I have a 20 year old stepson, who is planning on moving out in the next 3 months, but who has his whole paycheck spent by the end of the weekend. He has no concept of money and having to make it last. We make him help a bit towards the rent, so as a way of making him try and get in the habit of learning this stuff has to be paid. But I envision that he is going to learn life's lessons the hard way, such as if you blow your whole paycheck by the end of the weekend, and don't pay your electric bill, they WILL shut it off. It can be such a dilemna. I have a 20 year old stepson, who is planning on moving out in the next 3 months, but who has his whole paycheck spent by the end of the weekend. He has no concept of money and having to make it last. We make him help a bit towards the rent, so as a way of making him try and get in the habit of learning this stuff has to be paid. But I envision that he is going to learn life’s lessons the hard way, such as if you blow your whole paycheck by the end of the weekend, and don’t pay your electric bill, they WILL shut it off.

]]> By: Sherry http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1984 Sherry Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:30:52 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1984 When to stop providing financial help to your kids . . . how about when they turn 21 and become legal in every state? Adult means they are now fully responsible for themselves. Help them become that way by treating them as a grown-up, ie., no "loans" without written terms which later, magically, seem to become gifts. When to stop providing financial help to your kids . . . how about when they turn 21 and become legal in every state? Adult means they are now fully responsible for themselves. Help them become that way by treating them as a grown-up, ie., no “loans” without written terms which later, magically, seem to become gifts.

]]> By: MiserlyBastard http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/personal-finance/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/comment-page-1/#comment-1983 MiserlyBastard Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:11:22 +0000 http://www.stopbuyingcrap.com/2006/04/08/when-to-stop-helping-your-kids-financially/#comment-1983 This is a great post. I think the issue goes far beyond what you can "afford" and what your kid "needs." I think at the heart of it, this question is about how do you make your kids self-sufficient adults. Both my wife and I know people who, in their mid-30s, are still living on their parent's dime. The degree of subsidy differs: a free place to stay, periodic cash gifts to help make ends meet. But in all instances, the result is an adult "child" who hasn't yet developed the capability to care for himself/herself and his/her family. Unfortunately, I suspect that where a person hasn't developed financial self-reliance by their 30s, they never will. So my default answer to your excellent question would be that parents should, from the very beginning, try to prepare their children for financial independence. This means giving them the tools they need to make a living--education, a stable home, work ethic, etc. But I'm opposed to guaranteeing certain outcomes. If, despite access to education, good parental role models, etc., your child makes decisions that result in financial hardship (e.g., becoming an actor), part of raising children means letting your children become adults responsible for their own lives. This is a great post. I think the issue goes far beyond what you can “afford” and what your kid “needs.” I think at the heart of it, this question is about how do you make your kids self-sufficient adults.

Both my wife and I know people who, in their mid-30s, are still living on their parent’s dime. The degree of subsidy differs: a free place to stay, periodic cash gifts to help make ends meet.

But in all instances, the result is an adult “child” who hasn’t yet developed the capability to care for himself/herself and his/her family. Unfortunately, I suspect that where a person hasn’t developed financial self-reliance by their 30s, they never will.

So my default answer to your excellent question would be that parents should, from the very beginning, try to prepare their children for financial independence. This means giving them the tools they need to make a living–education, a stable home, work ethic, etc.

But I’m opposed to guaranteeing certain outcomes. If, despite access to education, good parental role models, etc., your child makes decisions that result in financial hardship (e.g., becoming an actor), part of raising children means letting your children become adults responsible for their own lives.

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